I could not have said it better.

Thank you Scarab.

I just hope we can get more likeminded people together to advance the hobby.

TH

Ok. Had a chat to Ian this morning.
He recommends that everyone wanting to apply for permits should just sit tight for the moment until they have sorted things out on their side.
Once they know what is happening, all will be revealed.

That is great news, and let me assure all, Ian will not let this slide.

I could not have said it better.

I know TH, that's why I said it... :laugh:

HeteroScuderia wrote:
I think it would be a great idea if Natcon were able to give permits to "approved" breeders, from which people can buy captive bred local baboon spiders, BUT my question is:

If people start buying these T's from approved breeders there is a chance that many of the purchased baboons will mature and turn into healthy Males and Females and some are even able to be kept communally. And you know, after a movie, few drinks and a night outside the burrow... comes the pitter patter of hundreds of tiny feet... The fact is, we love this hobby, and many of us love to breed our T's and I am sure many people would love to breed some of our local beauties, even if it happens by mistake.

What happens in this situation? Should we report successful breedings to someone? Must we give them to Natcon? Will someone who is able to breed their specimens be able to apply for a breeders permit? I don't see a problem with as many people as possible permitted to breed local species because it hopefully stops people harvesting T's from the wild and knocks the wind out of the black market. (Except if people start putting them back into the wild which could mess up micro-eco systems in various areas).

I am sure there are many more questions I or we could ask, but I think this is a pretty good question...

HS

Here is where people are going to shoot the hobby in the foot I think by wanting to make cash out of locals.
Firstly, if some people had to end up with males and females and wanted to breed, they would have to apply for a breeding permit first. If not (Or if their permit is denied), they are NOT ALLOWED to breed. Breeding also can't happen "by mistake"
The breeders who have permits would also do everything in their power to stop non permitted breeders from selling ILLEGAL stock.

There is a problem with tons of people breeding locals. Our market can't take so many spiders. The only option will be to export (With a permit of course) the excess stock. This will probably end up costing the breeder as some species are commonly bred overseas and will be worth almost nothing. Postage and permits would cost more than what you would make off selling the spiders. So whoever gets chosen as the breeders (Assuming this happens) should be willing to do this for the love of the hobby and local baboon spiders rather than for money. Yes there are a few species that would be sold at a premium, but in general breeders will not be able to quit their day job.

Thanks for these very thorough responses.

The point of my question is that some "one" usually always spoils it for everyone else regardless of the their reasoning, doing it for money, carelessness or just plain stupidity and immediately one hopes that there is something there to hold people responsible for their actions or rather something to curb people from doing whatever they want. I hope you guys understand that this was just a question that immediately popped into my mind when considering the possibilities, GOOD and BAD, and there are so many different possibilities.

Personally I just hope as many people as possible in this hobby choose to be responsible and take ownership of their actions, it will really go a long way I think.

I relate it to the paintball industry, paintball markers (we call them markers now to get the "gun" stigma removed from the sport), are dangerous weapons in the wrong hands, and many of us who are doing our best to grow the sport and promote safety in paintball are fighting the good fight, but we have all heard and read the news which reports some stupid fool that did a drive by and shot the living daylights out of some poor pedestrian for the fun of it, or they go around painting as many street signs as they can and pissing off the municipalities. I can promise you now if that fool was brought before the rest of us who are doing the best for the sport, we'd give him a good tar and feathering. Police it as much as we like, idiots always slip between the cracks.

So anyway, I hope to see more questions and answers on this topic, it's going to be a very interesting road to follow...

HS

So who will be applying for an importing/exporting permit?

I think it should take quite a while longer than the other permits to receive approval or denial if I had to guess. :whistle: