lasiodora wrote: i hear what u guys are saying im still new in learnin all the names thats why i try to learn both common and latin names. stupid example (latin) citharischius crawshayi....or orpelinobius muticus take note children 2 names NOW common name king baboon see no confusion. like i said im also still new in the hobby and still have alot to learn. so plss help me aswell as im confused...... i can also say that u guys probibly noticed aswell of a respected breeder/seller that uses the wrong spelling on his website to make it look like more excotic but ja the common name stayd the same so im confused
best regards another idiot

Ok, a quick few things aimed at everyone, not just Lasiodora.
How about we get this site up to internationl standards?
When listing a spiders name the correct way to do it is as follows:
Genus name is capitilized. As in Pelinobius.
Species name is in small letters. As in muticus
Then if possible, the whole name is put in italics. This is not always possible, as even now, I dont have the option to do it. (Could Dimitri please have a look at this and make the option available when replying/at all times? Not sure if the scientific names are in italics in the tarantupedia? Dimitri?)
So the name would read: Pelinobius muticus (In italics - when available)
Edit: Seems my work pc will allow me the power of the italics.

Then @ lasiodora:
Your stupid example is exactly that. Stupid. It doesn't have two scientific names and no spider on earth does either. The old name was changed due to research being done on the genus/species.
Scientific names are not often changed (Only when science moves forward and new relationships are found within different spiders - Such as spiders being synonymised, species being split into new species, discoveries that spiders have been previously named, etc)
How many scientific name changes can you name that have happened in the last year, compared to how many different common names you have seen for different tarantulas in the last year? I think we could probably write a book on the latter?
I would love to know who the well respected breeder is that is purposefully incorrectly naming spiders? I have always seen correct scientific names being used by mammon, Hendrik, snarf, scarab, oceanblue, fangs, etc (Sorry if I missed out any obvious names...its still early in the morning and I need to type fast to still get to work on time.) So please tell us who has been using the incorrect names? Name and shame as they say, so we can protect newbies. (By the way, I think I know who you are talking about and she is not a breeder, merely a seller, unless some spiders only have 10 babies from an eggcase)
Then lastly. Scientific names are the same accross any language. If you have to see a spider for sale in Japan, Germany, USA and South Africa, their scientific name would be the same, no matter what language they speak there. If you were an afrikaans guy trying to sell a local baboon spider to a guy from America (Which obviously you shouldn't be doing without a permit) and you called it a "Gewone Bobbejaan Spinnekop" do you think the guy would understand what you are saying? (And while Im reading your mind, English is not the most spoken language in the world, it is Mandarin - last time I checked anyway )
I think I have made some pretty obvious and relevant points in this reply, so am waiting in anticipation for your answer and reply and any ideas from other members that have good, intelligent questions.

Best regards, not another idiot.

The punctuation thing again... I'll nurse my headache later.

orpelinobius muticus take note children 2 names NOW common name king baboon

Maybe I am another idiot or a "children", but I don't get this statement?

Orpelinobius muticus - two names but King Baboon is one name?

Scientific names are universal as tirelessly stated previously. If you page through FHM by torch light under your duvet, a pretty girl is pretty, and it hardly matters what she says and how she says it. If you converse with your friends in Uzbekistan, they might interpret King Baboon as a reference to African politics, where Pelinobius muticus can NEVER be confused.

Scarab wrote: The punctuation thing again... I'll nurse my headache later.

I was too afraid to bring this point up, for fear of any mention of my uncle Jack and his horse.

Flying Spiderman wrote: The point of using latin names, is because you then know exactly what spider you are talking about! That same spider may have in some cases more than 10 common names which really causes confusion. eg. Brachypelma Boehmei is known also as: Mexican Fireleg, Mexican Beauty, Mexican Rustleg... all being common names for B. Boehmei. So you see we should stick to the latin name to avoid confusion.

I forsee a great future for you, if your first post looks like this. Nothing like starting on the right (or perfect) foot.
Just a pity everyone can't see what you can.
Thanks

Ceratogyrus wrote:

Flying Spiderman wrote: The point of using latin names, is because you then know exactly what spider you are talking about! That same spider may have in some cases more than 10 common names which really causes confusion. eg. Brachypelma Boehmei is known also as: Mexican Fireleg, Mexican Beauty, Mexican Rustleg... all being common names for B. Boehmei. So you see we should stick to the latin name to avoid confusion.

I forsee a great future for you, if your first post looks like this. Nothing like starting on the right (or perfect) foot.
Just a pity everyone can't see what you can.
Thanks

Indeed, I second Cerat's view.

When has uncle Jack and his horse recovered?

TH

IcarusZulu wrote: ... On a similar note most of us here have learned the scientific name through reading it here on the forums or books however we have never heard the spoken language of Latin. ...

What nearly everyone fails to appreciate is that there is no one, single Latin. Some form of Latin was spoken centuries before Christ, and each era had its own favorite "gold standard." And, because the Roman Empire covered such a vast area, there were countless local dialects and variations. Thus, there is the Latin of Caesar (what I learned in school), in Roman occupied Britannia, Gaul, Greece, the Middle East, North Africa, Aegyptus, as well as the Latin of the common folk in the forums of Rome, and a thousand other places and times.

Then there is modern Church Latin (that Caesar would barely understand), scientific Latin (that Caesar definitely wouldn't understand), and the pseudo-Latin that we enthusiasts try to pronounce. Don't feel bad if you can't pronounce it. Caesar turns end for end in his grave every time the experts pontificate! (Wait! He wasn't buried. He was cremated. Holy pizza!)

IcarusZulu wrote: ... So when you have a T get together or visit a seller or go to the T auction where the spoken Latin name is herd somehow it sounds different to how you may have read in and said it aloud to yourself. ...

Mispronounced is the word you're looking for! :laugh:

Do your best. The person you're talking to doesn't know any better either!