I don't understand how a size difference and colour difference makes a new species?
There can be colour variations according to habitat, climate, etc. amongst animals, as well as size differences as already discussed.
As my curiosity will probably get the better of me any way, If the sac is successful, I will probably keep most and give a few to a few friends on the site.
So, spinnerkop, you don't want them mixed, but you want them on the market?
Why don't you think they can come from the same sac?
Those pics are terrible again.
The lowland pic that you posted should be compared to the highland form in the link that Taki posted and the highland form in your pic should be compared to Taki's links lowland form. That would be more like comparing apples to apples, not watermelons to pineapples.

If you read carefully that is why I clearly and simply stated I am torn and there is no hard facts separating the two............... so on and so forth.
For coming out of the same sac... for example we "us humans" are the "species"
Homo sapiens sapiens yes we can breed with other cultures etc but have you ever seen two African people produce a European child or visa versa two European people produce and African child I don't think so... unless some where in the lineage the blood lines got crossed and there for it is possible that two African people can produce an European child... Even thou the African people where unaware that they had European in them from some distant lineage.

Would you agree that these are both the high and low land subfusca? if you answered yes then how can it be watermelons to pineapples?

spinnerkop wrote: Would you agree that these are both the high and low land subfusca? if you answered yes then how can it be watermelons to pineapples?

Yes they are. Because both the pictures that you posted as well as the link that Taki posted have the 2 colour forms, but at different stages of their lives or different sexes.
The lowland spider in your pic is a sub adult male/female and the highland is a mature adult female. Difficult comparing the 2.

i cant seem to find the link?

Taki wrote: Ok and have you seen Steevens Droguet's pics on a BTS thread (post #11)? He confirmed in post#15 that they are both females btw...
thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?3265-a-blue-P-subfusca/page2
I find it really hard to swallow that those are not two different species..... obviously I could be wrong and Ray Gabriel is definately of the opinion that they are not different, it's all just my personal opinion at the end of the day!

Here is Taki's post from page 2

Guess the only way to solve the debate is to breed the High & low land keep a detailed diary of everything and in 2 or 3 years you can post all over the "inter web" you findings...
And see if both come out the same sac or if you did indeed make a hybrid...
And to do this you will need to keep all the babies... scientific data...
You never know you might be the 1st to document something like this...
What do you think?