I think the problem here is simple. People will believe what they are Taught as children. Then we grow up and grow a few brain cells to think for our selves. Instead of looking at where the bible says it all started rather look at where the bible came from. Now there is some insight. the 3 main religions have the exact same story.

K now read this and take it in. This is fact from all religions.

First written religious scripture is the Egyptian book of the dead and book of the living. Ra the father, sends son Osiris each day to do battle with fallen son Seth. on the 25th day of the 12th month "25 Dec" Osiris dies on a cross and gos to the under world to slay Seth and returns to the heavens after 3 days. Sounds familiar?

If any one is really interested I can go in a lot more detail.

Point is this. All irreligious sons and daughters of god are born on the 25 of Dec. All die and go to the under world for 3 days,years, all surrounded by 12 religious members. All where born in Bethlehem "by the way Bethlehem means "house of bread" its not a town. All are followed by 3 wise men "3 Kings" and thy are following the brightest star in the sky. All of this is astrological events that happen every year.

on the 25th Dec the brightest star is Sirius the tree kings "Orians belt" follows it for 3 days. these four stars points at the Zodiac Virgo also known as the "Bread giver" "House of bread" Jesus was born in the star sign Pisces "the fish" Before Pisces its Torus. When the Israelite's received the 10 commandments they where worshiping a bull!! Jesus him self said to his Apostils when I am gone look for a man bearing water. The next star sign is Aquarius.... the eon of Torus cam to an end and Jesus was born under the eon of Pisces witch came to an end and started the eon of Aquarius.

Its all Astrological events.

A wise man once said: take the one and make it two.
So take what works for you and chuck the rest away. All humans feel the need to believe in something that can explain our existance, because we certainly cant.(just read this thread). In the end it comes down to your own personal interpretation of what you believe - specifically because its not tangable and you can not see it.
Its called faith and it was never designed to be easy.

Whoever decides to read this thread, ignore all of the above.
We all know that Pastafarianism is the accepted religion.
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

If you don't know what I am talking about, google it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Cerat I am converting TODAY

Happy Holidays

O how I love these discussions, but I'm going to refuse to get into this one as one states their own opinion on their religion or beliefs and in the process tries to prove another belief or religion wrong. Some might say it's just a friendly discussion but we all want to protect our own opinions deep down inside, maybe to even try convert someone to see life as how you see life. Yet in the end a lot of beliefs and opinions are stated, no realizations are made and no change of views or opinions. But it is a fun discussion to have and it does get heated then we all just friends with different views on life at the end.

T-rad wrote: ...as one states their own opinion on their religion or beliefs and in the process tries to prove another belief or religion wrong.

Would like to see someone prove my Pastafarianism wrong.