shakou wrote: I just refuse to believe that these are more delicate than any other species.

Cool, no stress
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
Spread the word all over that avics are just as hardy as other T's :ohmy:

I don't need to spread any word mate as we keep these with great success over here. The trick is to get away from stupid on line care sheets that are so out dated it should be criminal. If you are experiencing many deaths over there then you need to look beyond the shipping and to the actual husbandry or blaming it on SADS. I mean, instead of picking an argument why not show me some proof that I'm wrong and these are indeed more delicate than any other T in the hobby because personally I've never seen it. It wasn't my intention to start a debate nor do I think it was anyone elses who mentioned the ventilation thing. They have read and learned that it is the way forward with this species. It's not that they are hard to care for, they just have a more specific requirement..

mammon wrote:

shakou wrote: I just refuse to believe that these are more delicate than any other species.

Cool, no stress
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

No argument here, as i said everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

All I can say is just don't love them to death. Overcare is one of the biggest killers with Avic owners.

Lol not trying to love it to death Im trying to love it to life

Im sure I can get this little guy to pull trough... just needs some tlc and patients

Can really feel the Love between keepers on this post hehehehe.

I think you are both right Mammon and shakou. Avic Versie's are very delicate and harder to keep than other t's no question but with that said a keeper that has had numerous Avic Versie's to practice dont find it that hard anymore.

You can keep a Grammostola rosea in a shoe box under your bed and it will live a long hardy life. where as a Avic Versie will peg before the lid is even on.

I need good sound advice here guys. I dont keep T's as little pets I actually really care about them as individuals and this one dying on me is just not an option.