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13 years 4 months ago #67994 by Vanessa
Looking forward to your legal opinion (rant) :)

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13 years 4 months ago #67995 by Ceratogyrus
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The Pterinochilus genus is protected by our law as Pterinochilus species are found in South Africa. Unless you can prove that Pterinochilus murinus is not a Pterinochilus, there is nothing to argue. The law says that Pterinochilus genus is indigenous, not every species. Best to just stick to the law and keep the legal ones.

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13 years 4 months ago #67996 by Mario
Please read the regulations! It is erroneously described as indigenous! Which cannot be! In 2002 Gallon refers to the single specimen
found somewhere in Venda in the 1800's.

If regulations refer to a Rotweiller as an indigenous dogbreed then would you accept it as law?

I think not!

There are only two species of the genus that are indigenous!

The p.murinius is not one of them!

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13 years 4 months ago - 13 years 4 months ago #67997 by Dimitri Kambas
Dude, i think you are missing the point.

Firstly Pterinochilus murinus (Usambara Baboon) is found in South Africa so itsindegenous.

Secondly the whole genus Pterinochilus is protected so until Pterinochilus murinus (Usambara Baboon) is redescribed and put into a new or other genus it will remain protected.

Thirdly there are more cases of other species being synonymised as Pterinochilus murinus (Usambara Baboon) that where initially described as something else from other genera. Which means there is a problem with the taxonomy.

and lastly for them to be in the same Genus (Pterinochilus) never mind the same subfamily (Harpactirinae) it means they have something in common. So now combine that with species being found in South Africa whether it was 200 years ago does not change the fact it was found here, so they obviously can live here.

And just for fun sakes

What does a Pterinochilus murinus (Usambara Baboon) and Tequila have in common ???

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13 years 4 months ago #67998 by Ceratogyrus
Replied by Ceratogyrus on topic Pterinochilus murinus (Usambara Baboon)

Mario1234 wrote: Please read the regulations! It is erroneously described as indigenous! Which cannot be! In 2002 Gallon refers to the single specimen
found somewhere in Venda in the 1800's.

If regulations refer to a Rotweiller as an indigenous dogbreed then would you accept it as law?

I think not!

There are only two species of the genus that are indigenous!

The p.murinius is not one of them!


The law does not mention the word 'murinus'. It says that because Pterinochilus species are found in South Africa, the Genus and all species in the Genus are protected. That's as simple as it gets really.
And I have read the regulations numerous times. I have a permit for P.murinus, so know what the law is.

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13 years 4 months ago #67999 by Cameron Torode
@Mario1234

I think it's

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that you are so passionate about P. murinus

BUT, the law is the law, and all Pterinochilus species are illegal at this stage, regardless of which country they are indigenous to, that's how the system works, and so those are the rules that we as a community follow.

It is up to you to make the right decision

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