:laugh: Don't worry, we're still friends.

Those were some really cool pics, and I consider myself properly schooled. I've read about that technique of handling in the TKG, but I must admit that the idea of doing it that way is a little scary. Especially after witnessing the antics of the Pampho in question.

Last night I attempted to herd it away from it's water bowl with a paintbrush, so that I could give it fresh water. It reared so far back, it fell on it's ass. LOL! It recovered almost instantly into a more forward facing threat posture, and stayed like that. It would not budge when I tried to gently presuade it to move. I left the room and came back 30min later to check on it, and it was still in that funky yoga pose.

Going back to your reply to snarf, I find it hard to believe that the "platyomma" we have here in the hobby belongs to any other genus, but Pamphobeteus. It is quite possible that these "platyommas" are not the original "platyommas" that were moved to the Vitalius genus.

If I recall correctly (from browsing www.pamphobeteus.com and other forums), this particular species is referred to as Pamphobeteus sp. equador II. Wether that is an existing species, or a new species, I'm not really sure. I don't think anybody is actually. Another problem, is that we have here as "platyomma" might not be the same species as the UK "platyomma" species. It's all very confusing.

Currently, I have 3 Pamphos (1 x "platyomma" and 2 x "machalla") and hope to collect a few more. At some point, I'd like to try my hand at breeding them, but I can see that might prove difficult.

From what I have heard (And seen here), Pampho's are like Avics when it comes to pure genes.
Pretty sure there is such a mix and match of spiders happening, that I wouldn't trust what I am buying as being a "pure species".
When people start naming spiders "sp." then you know there is going to be some confusion to follow.

I agree completely Cerat. It's a little depressing though.

I have been following this thread for a bitt and would like to add this pic of the sp ecuador that I have.
A very placid T and is very

easy to handle.

Impressive looking tarantula wayne. What was it sold to you as?

BTW, my "platyomma" molted this morning from a 4.5cm specimen, into a 6cm thing of beauty. It last molted a month ago, on the 3rd of Jan. The day I got it. With this molt, it spent very little time in premolt. Maybe about 5 or 6 days. Also, it got much bigger with this molt. A fairly fast growing species.