I cant agree more about being concerned about handling them Deon that's why id rather wait a bit and get use to the idea of having these creatures and let the feeling of handling them pass rather than having an incident with a T' and although I also agree with Jake about diving in and getting other T's rather than just talking or reading about them I think all people are not the same as it comes to learning and me not just buying a pokie or any other im not yet comfortable is more safe guard for the animal against my inexperience as oppose to it being not wanting to learn from practical example but that's my seeing not saying its right or wrong nor disagreeing with anyone yet (lack of knowledge)and for the handling part i assure you its sounds worse than it is haven't handled any one of my T apart from the time I put them in there inclosure witch was Sunday when I housed my lasiodora difficulis and although its wrong it felt so awesome when she got on my hand :evil: oh and probably the biggest reason i slowed down and not have gotten any new T's since a few hours back is the fact that im broke for the next hour :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: but in all seriousness I do understand what your saying and and appreciate the time you guys are taking to help me will try not to let you down on this regard and I promise i wont stagnate to long on NW terrestrials for beginners Jake(although i would still buy every one i can get) Deon said i can ask him about getting T's and he will help me so it probably wont be long till i start boming him with emails again